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Poster: laptaper Date: Nov 24, 2005 6:29pm
Forum: etree Subject: Why?

Despite the fact that I respect the Dead's right to do with their music as they wish and am grateful for all they've given us, I am left with a bad taste because they didn't answer that simple, potent, one-word question. It's the only qualm I have with this whole thing. Even a reason as crass as, "We just finally decided that we really do deserve some money from these recordings" could have put out half of the flames on this board. I doubt it's that cut and dried, but even that would be better than this silence and confusion. Whether they had a right to or not, they caused some level of emotional hurt; the least they can do is hand us a tissue in the form of an explanation. Someone is not handling this aspect right.

This post was modified by laptaper on 2005-11-25 02:29:38

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Nov 24, 2005 9:01pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why?

mommy?daddy?why do i have to pay for live grateful dead recordings?you always told me the dead were really cool people and allowed taping at their concerts for the heads to listen too and trade.you also told me they really disliked the big bad record industry,what happend to those values,how many more bands will follow? are they still a band beyond description? peace,folks.

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Poster: Albix714 Date: Nov 24, 2005 2:12pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why?

Right on the money, laptaper.

Thank you, that's all we need is a brief explanation.

I don't care so much about the music being yanked.

It just doesn't seem like the band I know to be treating their fans this way.

How 'bout it guys?

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Poster: SavoyTruffle Date: Nov 24, 2005 2:29pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why?

right, if they sold out to warner or somebody;how about a letter before hand from the band posted on the website or something just being frank and honest. that would make it so much better. just to be upfront and honest.

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Poster: Dont_ez Date: Nov 24, 2005 10:07pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: What would be the answer to the answer man?

Totally agree!

We demand to hear band members on this!

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Poster: adlai Date: Nov 24, 2005 7:37pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why?

I could not express my respectful confusion and pain (and, o.k., indignance better than laptaper so I will just echo his/her agonizingly apropos question ... "Why?" I have always admired and respected Etree but could you please let us know what the .... is going on? Reinstating open exchange of the Dead's music would be wonderful, but an explanation or even acknowledgement of whence this cold shower would be really very welcome.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Nov 24, 2005 9:18pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why?

have always admired and respected Etree but could you please let us know what the .... is going on?

Please read (or re-read) this. It's the official answer of what happened.

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=47634

"the Internet Archive has been asked to change how the Grateful Dead concert recordings are being distributed on the Archive site"

This is why the Soundboard recordings are gone, and why the Audience recordings are only streamable.

Reinstating open exchange of the Dead's music would be wonderful, but an explanation or even acknowledgement of whence this cold shower would be really very welcome.

Nobody at archive.org knows "why" this request was made, so continually posting this question to the forum here pointed toward etree.org or archive.org will not bear fruit. Nobody here was involved in the decision making process. By this point, it should be obvious that the people who did make the request had no intention of explaining themselves, and do not feel obligated to do so right now. There are pages and pages (and pages) of speculation that may answer this "why".

Everyone's frustration with the situation is completely understandable (heck, I've been frustrated as hell with this too and will miss the downloads as much as anyone. I took it for granted that they would be here indefinitely as well), but unfortunately we cannot offer you any additional explanation than what you find on the forum. Sorry.

This post was modified by Brad Leblanc on 2005-11-25 05:18:56

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Poster: DEADBUCK Date: Nov 29, 2005 12:13am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why?

I can certainly understand the LMA is sick of being asked why....with so many asking i would get sick of it too....so if there is no fruit to askng why...then may I ask who or what entity requested the change...the band members...the mgt....or perhaps a relative of a member...this would certainly point all questions in the right direction forward.

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Poster: DEADBUCK Date: Nov 29, 2005 12:18am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why?

I would also like to say I feel to Diane H. as she seems to have had her hands full with all of this issue... I am sure she knows that it is hard for so many who were reconnected to a lifestyle (also known as the Grateful Dead) to have it abruptly stopped again. (be it ten years later.) Thank you Diane for you tolerance.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 29, 2005 12:24am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why?

I'm a Deadhead too, I feel your pain. Also, I feel the pain of poor "Margaret" at the GDM front desk. From the reaction that is being posted here I can only imagine what she has to hear over the phone there.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-11-29 08:24:08

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Poster: DEADBUCK Date: Nov 29, 2005 12:25am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why?

cheers!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 29, 2005 12:21am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Who? Also fruitless to ask here

Again, another fruitless question to ask here. Sorry.
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=47707

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Poster: wajsims Date: Nov 24, 2005 11:53pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why?

Brad,

Can you say exactly who contacted you regarding the new policy.
Was it the band and their management or was it a record label?
In other words was the Dead still in control when the change was requested or not?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Nov 25, 2005 5:35am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why?

Can you say exactly who contacted you regarding the new policy. Was it the band and their management or was it a record label? In other words was the Dead still in control when the change was requested or not?

Unfortunately I cannot. I don't know, was not involved in this, and the people who were have been asked to limit what they say. As I said before, all we know is here on the forum posted by Matt Vernon and Brewster Kahle.

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Poster: JerryInaPouch Date: Nov 30, 2005 2:54am
Forum: etree Subject: Whodunnit?

Yeah I just want to know who made this choice. Gimme names, don't placate me and hide behind hide-a-bles.

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Poster: hjl1450 Date: Nov 24, 2005 9:40pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why?

Brad...well said and there's nothing else to do. Hopefully the situation will change. Thank you for your honesty and the Archives perspective. I really trust Deadheads will honor it.

best....Howard

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Poster: Albix714 Date: Nov 24, 2005 11:55pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why?

Brad, at this point I don't think anyone is asking the archive anymore. The band put the archive in this position.

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Poster: csmiller Date: Nov 25, 2005 2:15am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why?

My theory is that since GDM is doing these deals with Apple and Warner/ Rhino, part of the deal was that GDM had to enforce their copyright and have all GD music removed from unlicensed websites (LMA, etree - which is down today). Also, any other material that either Apple or Warner/ Rhino is going to sell cannot be available in another form online (like chord tablature - see demise of rukind). This is, in my opinion the true selling-out event by GDM. They have been accused of it in the past, but this really is it. They have effectively banned online sharing of their music in favor of deals with two mega-corporations. Of course, it is within their rights to do it, but it flies in the face of everything the GD has stood for since its inception. Pretty sad, though I suspect the blowback from this could be substantial. I, for one, never buy stuff from iTunes, because it is lossy. I'll make my own lossy mp3s, thank you. I won't *buy* them. I suppose iTunes may offer the vault in Apple Lossless format. But you can 't decompress and burn that format, as far as I know. Pretty sad state of affairs.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 25, 2005 2:34am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: ibiblio> etree.org technical problems

etree - which is down today

Etree.org's host, Ibiblio, reportedly suffered a sitewide crash of some kind, and ibiblio is still working on things now. Unfortunate, but no conspiracy here. We just have to wait till it's back up and running.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-11-25 10:34:38

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Poster: aikox2 Date: Nov 25, 2005 4:31am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why?

Wow. I had just posted to another thread, but now I think I see what has happened. If they have sold out to Apple, then all is lost, there will not be a reveral, this is a done deal, and life as we knew it is over. It also means that they suck big time, and all for a few sheckles. Do they really need the money that bad. Sounds like a deal with the devil to me. If so, I hope they burn in Hell.

Yes, I do feel entitled to this music for free. I paid their salaries for years with constant touring; I saw them over 400 times. I bought every recording, audio and video, that they ever officially released, bought books and tee shirts. And all along, there was the understanding that we could have the shows. Lying, back-stabbing scum.

Aiko

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Poster: laptaper Date: Nov 25, 2005 6:49am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why?

I do _not_ feel entitled to anything for free from the Dead, since I have never given anything to them for free (I always wanted a concert, T-shirt, CD, etc. in return). One exception - I did give them my respect, believing I'd always had it in return. This secrecy ain't it.

"One way or another, this darkness got to give..."

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Poster: johnny99 Date: Nov 25, 2005 5:50am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why?

I wouldn't put the Apple deal beyond the realm of possibility and if that is the case they do indeed suck. I saw on the official website that Bobby and Ratdog were playing some Carnival Cruise which is sorta lame.